Posts by termite 35

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And when I'm dead...dead and gone....

by hillary_step in

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i was having one of my daily discussions about death ( happy soul that i am ) with mrs. step at breakfast this morning and asked her a profound question:.

one month after i have died, how will people describe me.

this is the answer that i was expecting :.

termite 35

Waiting, I know the feeling; my daughter said last week,' you're weird compared to everyone elses mother;nice; but weird' !!!

Hilary-love your wife's description-is it accurate?!

My cat; 'where's the feeder gone?'

My children;'Where's the feeder gone?'

My husband' Where's the ..........you get the picture!!!

The neighbours will probably breath a sigh of relief though;Last month my husband burst in to the kitchen and shouted 'come and get me while i'm hot!'- they were over for a coffee.

He also told me in the garden today when I was getting cross with him, that he could tell I was.nt really cross, I just wanted him to lay me on the grass and ...you get the picture!-the neighbours suddenly 'coughed' and we had to run inside snorting!

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daughter (9) crying asking ?'s heaven vs. paradise

by Cappuccino OC in

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it's me again, cappuccino oc.

i need your guys help once more.

i have a very intelligent 9 year old daughter who has been doing alot of critical thinking lately.

termite 35

Sorry! I forgot the Paradise V heaven thing,

Basically I just say that god's in charge of all that and he'll make sure we're happy.So it dos'nt really matter where we go; he'll make sure everything's sorted out in the end; and if he really wanted us to know it'd be a lot clearer!

Perhaps he wants to keep it a surprise!! yeah; I know i'm fudging- but who really knows anyway-it's all guess work- the only two things that are certain are that we're born and we die.

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daughter (9) crying asking ?'s heaven vs. paradise

by Cappuccino OC in

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it's me again, cappuccino oc.

i need your guys help once more.

i have a very intelligent 9 year old daughter who has been doing alot of critical thinking lately.

termite 35

Cappuccino;

I posted a couple of threads along these lines a while ago; and my son is a lot happier now,mainly due to the great advice I was given.

It's so upsetting when you've always had answers,not to have answers for them anymore, is'nt it?

But my son, who's 8; is getting there.

He still wants to say his prayers at night; so we do- but I don't say Jehovah anymore; I just could'nt.

We now focus on anti-jw teachings in our prayers(!)such as 'how can we make the world a better place to be?

What charity shall we collect for?(he chose the RNLI this month)

How can I show love to someone?

Can I help people who need it?

The importance of recycling(i'm clutching at straws this week!)

But you get the jist of it; i'm trying to get his thoughts off Armaggedon and on to reality- and including a God, as he wants him there at the moment.

And while i'm more than happy to let my two older (near teen and teen)girls to find their own way;(yoga and sleeping at the moment!) he is too young to search and prefers to be 'led' a little, for now.

Hopefully, before realises it, the 'christian' things we talk about will be so far removed from the jw hopes, if he encounters them in later life, he won't recognise it as christianity-and he won't be tempted back.

I keep reminding myself that it's only been 9 months since we left, so he did'nt really take long to settle.

I hope your little girl finds something to override the feelings she has.

It's a bit like a break-up is'nt it?They need to grieve really; i'm sure my son was.

I told him that the JW's got a lot wrong-but not all(sermon on the mount etc)and were pretty confused, but did'nt realise it-we saw they were 'wrong', so we left.And now we spend a lot of time together,' trying to 'find' what to do to be a good person'(his words!)

Keep smiling!.

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The meeting my wife and I had with her elder.

by FRUSR8TD in

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hello all.... for those who don't know..my wife and i have been married for almost 7 years, she had left the wt before we met.

i have never been a jw.

after 9/11 my mother in law used fear to "scare" her back into the (b)org.. ok, now 10 months later our marriage is in serious trouble.

termite 35

wow Frustr8ted;i'm impressed; what a guy!!!

I hope your wife appreciates all the concern you're showing her.Even if she dos'nt agree with you, she 's very lucky to have you.

My husband did'nt say anything for a while when I started going to meetings;then he 'banned' the children from going; which I ignored and took them anyway(their eternal life was at stake afterall...!)But eventually he just let me get on with it.

I can honestly say that if he'd shown me evidence of bad behaviour in the O rg I would have left like a shot; I needed an excuse to go as I hated it all; but kept being 'persuaded' to stay by witnesses telling me it was persecution and if there WAS any evidence, where was it?

I guess I wish he'd fought for me, as you're doing for your wife.Instead of waiting for me to be brave enough to hunt for it and facing everyone when they got really mad with me.

in time it may hit home- but you never know; it may have already .

Good luck

I

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Sugg. for Brits: Write to Charity Comm re Panorama

by expatbrit in

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the charity commission, in it's guideline booklet cc21: registering as a charity, states: .

charitable purposes.

7. to be a charity an organisation must have purposes which are exclusively charitable.

termite 35

I think I will write regarding 'benefit to the community'

The only benefit they say they have is 'if everyone was like us ,what a great community it would be'-???

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A question to all

by ballistic in

what will come of it?

termite 35

Hi Ballistic;

I'd like to say that they will all leave and that all the WTBS buildings will be turned in to centres for cult abuse victims ,financed by the money left in their bank accounts after the compensation for abuse victims has been paid.........

But .....I expect thay those who had a few doubts will look further in to the society;

Those who have serious doubts have just watched the straw that broke the camels back;

Some will leave.

Most will stay.

Some will be shocked, but will reason that SOME elders made some bad decisions.

The GB will somehow walk away clean.

But that's for those already in...I'm hoping that at best it will at least mark them from the public's point of view, as a religion that's not to be trusted.

I can imagine the reaction by some I knew; they'll go in to denial;and even call those brave children apostates,as they just turn so viciously, like wounded animals when they're' attacked'.

I'm not trying to be negative, it's just that unfortunately so many have so much to loose, as we all know, and the fear may keep them hanging on.

I just hope they get brave and call on me.

What about you?What do you think?

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Quotes from Panorama tonight...

by termite 35 in

love to all those victims on tonights programme; what courageous children and teenagers you are.thanks to bill bowen who came across as the voice of calm reason.

the panorama child abuse programme has just finished.

the elders and ted jaraz(gb) were made to look like inarticulate, weak, men with a lot to hide...which of course they are.

termite 35

Xander;go back a few pages and you'll see a post from Dmouse about the letter; it was read to all uk congs today I think,and is about the problems concerning paedophiles in the cong etc.

Actually, I think there were two posts about it...

Twinkle toes; at least if you don't want to be known as a witness any longer you'll probably have ample opportunity to tell people WHY you don't want to be associated anymore and you'll be respected for your stand..xx

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Quotes from Panorama tonight...

by termite 35 in

love to all those victims on tonights programme; what courageous children and teenagers you are.thanks to bill bowen who came across as the voice of calm reason.

the panorama child abuse programme has just finished.

the elders and ted jaraz(gb) were made to look like inarticulate, weak, men with a lot to hide...which of course they are.

termite 35

I forgot to add that the police in the UK were furious at the Elders conduct in the case of Simon Brady.

They went to see him before the court case and were warned by the police that they were guilty of perverting the course of justice and they could be ARRESTED if that was breached again.

But they made a statement in the congregations that, even after conviction ,the Body of Elders considered the guilty JW an innocent man.

The police demended an appology...and got one.

Hopefully this will mean that in Britain if an elder harasses you before a case comes to court ,the elder can be arrested for perverting the course of justice; at least now they may leave victims alone and not add to their distress.

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Quotes from Panorama tonight...

by termite 35 in

love to all those victims on tonights programme; what courageous children and teenagers you are.thanks to bill bowen who came across as the voice of calm reason.

the panorama child abuse programme has just finished.

the elders and ted jaraz(gb) were made to look like inarticulate, weak, men with a lot to hide...which of course they are.

termite 35

Hi Everyone;

Love to all those victims on tonights programme; what courageous children and teenagers you are.Thanks to Bill Bowen who came across as the voice of calm reason.

The Panorama child abuse programme has just finished.

The Elders and Ted Jaraz(GB) were made to look like inarticulate, weak, men with a lot to hide...which of course they are.

Just thought you'd like to read the excellent quotes by Detective Sergent Jack Zeller, who came across as being honest,upright,strong and compassionate...

Quote...'Sexual abuse of children is not to be tolerated and I don't care what their reasoning was,it was faulted reasoning'(in ref to the non reporting of abuse to the police)

'They were wrong and as far as I am concerned ,they were CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT, that's my take on it'

Reporter; 'Even with just the child's word?

'With one witness?'

'Just the mother?'

'Without the two witnesses their Bible tells them they need?'

Det.Seg ;' Unfortunately, most kids do not have several witnesses observing them when they get raped, thet's the unfortunate part of it'

Det.Seg; 'I can't imagine how badly she(Holly) must have felt not to have been believed by elders in her own close knit community, what a horrible blow to a child this must have been ;SHAME,SHAME ON YOU'.

Powerful stuff;how witnesses who watched all that, with all the graphic facts, could carry on unquestioning this beast of a cult is incomprehendable.

Shame on them all, especially Gilles; his manner and body language while refusing to answer the reporters' questioned condemmed him as a sly,arrogent man.

edited for punctuation in quotes

Edited by - termite 35 on 14 July 2002 19:12:37

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BBC - Secret Database Protects Paedophiles

by expatbrit in

secret database protects paedophiles .

the jehovah's witnesses organisation keeps a sex offenders register that nobody outside the church is allowed to see, a former "elder" tells panorama.

bill bowen, who has spent his lifetime as a jehovah's witness and over twenty years as an elder, says the organisation covers up abuse by keeping this database secret.

termite 35

Thankyou for posting that-I'm hoping that witnesses will feel compelled to watch it through to the end as they'll be anticipating some comments at the doors;usually, around here they shout'apostate content' and refuse to watch;then the whole congregation goes in to righteous ostrich mode and go out for the evening...

By the way; does anyone know if Paul Gillies is an Australian?

Did anyone speak to a PR man in UK about the UN who was an Aussie?

Just curious ,want to put names to voices...